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 Transient Noise Analysis to Calculate PLL Phase Noise 

Last post Fri, Jun 20 2014 3:04 PM by F1111. 0 replies.
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    Transient Noise Analysis to Calculate PLL Phase Noise Reply

     Hi all,

     I was trying to design a charge pump PLL and simulate the phase noise of it. I ran into some convergence problem when I used PSS+PNOISE, therefore I decided to calculate the PLL phase noise with transient nosie analysis discussed in the site below:

    http://www.cadence.com/community/blogs/cic/archive/2009/03/26/calculating-large-signal-phase-noise-using-transient-noise-analysis.aspx

    Following the setup described in the article, I could obtain the phase noise very close to my calculation. However, the phase noise offset frequency has a very limited range. The article says the phase noise plot will extend from fmin=4/tstop to fmax=fosc/2, where tstop is the transient noise simulation stop time and fosc is the oscillation frequency. In my simulation, fosc=2GHz, and I ran the transisent analysis for 10us, therefore I should get a phase noise plot from 400KHz to 1GHz. However, I only saw the phase noise plot from 2MHz to 1GHz (as shown in the figure). I also tried to increase the transient analysis time, but that didn't help. The other transient setup parameters that I have are

    Noise Fmax=20GHz, Noise Fmin=100KHz, Noise Seed=1, Noise Scale=1, Noise Tmin=1ps  and errpreset=moderate

    Since I am also interested in the frequency offsets lower than 2MHz, I really want to extend the phase noise plot to the lower frequencies.  I guess the problem is because of my wrong setups of noise Fmax and noise Fmin, but I was actually not quite sure how to set them. Does anyone have any experience on this? Why the phase noise plot from transient noise analysis cannot extend from 4/tstop to fosc/2?

     

    Thank you in advance!

     

    Faye

     

     

     


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