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# PZ-Simulation and STB open loop Simulation.

Last post Wed, May 29 2013 5:17 AM by Andrew Beckett. 3 replies.
 Started by Zitty 06 May 2013 05:45 AM. Topic has 3 replies and 844 views
• #### Mon, May 6 2013 5:45 AM

• Zitty
• Joined on Wed, Feb 23 2011
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PZ-Simulation and STB open loop Simulation.
 Hello, I´d like to do a pz simulation of a circuit to see the pole movement under different operating conditions.To do so I did a stb analysis first.Then I compared the location of the poles from stb analysis to the ones gotten by the pz analysis.And unfortunatelly they are totally different. What could be the reason for this? I assume that the operating conditons are the same. Oh I forgot. I´m using Cadence 6.1.5  regards Zitty
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• #### Wed, May 29 2013 4:55 AM

Re: PZ-Simulation and STB open loop Simulation.
 stb analysis is looking at the loop gain of a specific loop (that you point at) - not producing poles and zeros. The pz analysis is analyzing the poles and zeros of the entire circuit, not just one loop. So it's an apples and pears comparison.Regards,Andrew.
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• #### Wed, May 29 2013 5:11 AM

• Zitty
• Joined on Wed, Feb 23 2011
• Posts 12
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Re: PZ-Simulation and STB open loop Simulation.
 Hey Andrew, meanwhile  I got how I have to do the comparison.I have to compare the poles and zeros I get from the pz analysis with the pase and magnitude response of the closed-loop systems.The poles and zeros should match there.Stb is just open loop as you say.
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• #### Wed, May 29 2013 5:17 AM

Re: PZ-Simulation and STB open loop Simulation.
 Actually stb is not open loop. It's the loop gain of a specified loop (and that loop is closed). But it's different from the transfer function from the input of the circuit to the output, which is what you mean by "closed loop", I guess. The loop gain will usually be significantly higher than the transfer function of your entire closed loop system. Regards,Andrew.
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