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 Ratsnest minimization length 

Last post Mon, Oct 28 2013 11:34 AM by tonyhuffman. 10 replies.
Started by PcbAG 17 Mar 2013 04:04 AM. Topic has 10 replies and 2929 views
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  • Sun, Mar 17 2013 4:04 AM

    • PcbAG
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    Ratsnest minimization length Reply

    Hi

    I am a new user of orcadpcb and would like to know if it is possible to minimize the length of the ratsnest during the placement of a component and not after it is placed.

    Thanks

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  • Mon, Mar 25 2013 11:19 PM

    • kabalee
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    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply

     Hi,

    place the component near to near so you can reduce the ratsnets 

    kabee
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  • Tue, Mar 26 2013 3:58 AM

    • PcbAG
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    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply

     Hi

    Yes, but this happens only after the component has been released during the movement ratnest is not updated.

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  • Wed, Mar 27 2013 5:52 AM

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    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply

    The tools don't work this way. The ratsnest is not dynamic. It will only update once you place the part down. You could assign a FUNCKEY to place the part down and pick it back up again which will update the ratsnest connections. Edit your env file to include

    funckey " " "pick_to_grid -cursor;pick_to_grid -cursor"

    This uses the spacebar to put the part down then pick it up again.

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  • Thu, Mar 28 2013 7:11 AM

    • PcbAG
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    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply

     Hi

     Thank you for your answer.
    I'm surprised.... even the cheaper cads have this function

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  • Thu, Mar 28 2013 2:29 PM

    • RaylonS
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    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply
    Is there an option setting for making the ratsnest 100% straight all the time? I am seeing often that some of the rats zig-zag off the origin and destination pin and this can sometimes be visually confusing.
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  • Thu, Mar 28 2013 7:01 PM

    • ScottCad
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    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply

    The ratsnest in Allegro is not dynamic. The older Layout product had a dynamic ratsnest, cadence are a bit behind in this respect.

    There are settings that can help a little.

    Click Setup > Design Parameters on the tool bar. In the dialog box set the ratsnest geometry to Straight. You can also set the ratsnest points to either closest endpoint or pin to pin. Closest enpoint works pretty good.

    Other things you can do to make life easier is assign colors to specific nets like ground and power, Disable a ratsnest from showing, Blank all ratsnests so when you move a part only those nets show up.

    Hope that helps some

    Scott

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  • Fri, Apr 19 2013 8:25 AM

    • DonlAZ
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    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply
    How can I get the rats to show up when moving a part, I understant it won't optimize but I'd at least like to see them.
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  • Mon, Apr 22 2013 7:27 AM

    • BillZ
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    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply

     Hi,

    You can toggle the stretch etch in the Options tab. This will turn on and off the ratsnets while moving a part.

     

    BillZ

    EMA Design Automation

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  • Mon, Apr 22 2013 7:28 AM

    • steve
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    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply

    Make sure they are turned on (Display - Show Rats - All) then invoke the command Edit - Move and make sure that Stretch Etch is not checked (Options fold out menu on the right hand side). If it is the rats become invisible when moving a part.

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  • Mon, Oct 28 2013 11:34 AM

    Re: Ratsnest minimization length Reply

    I am struggling with the rat lines as well but in my situation the "Closest endpoint" setting is not functioning properly. I opened a case over 17 months ago and I was told this is the way the tool is designed to work.

     For instance when I finish a route and exit the command I see the rat line extend across the design to a pin to my plating bar when I have a via 100 microns in front of the end point of the route. I just opened another case since this is a later release and I am told the tool functions as designed and nobody else has asked for an enhancement.

     I remember back in the day when User Groups were strong and the users would all have a presence to openly discuss issues with the tools in front of the developers. I miss those days because other vendors were responsive to those open forums.

    There are many tools on the market both cheaper and more expensive that have the ability to show the rat lines from a route to any of the closest end point (i.e. via, pin, bond finger, etc.) that provide the designer a very helpful guide to plan accordingly at a glance where to route and how to get there in the path of least resistance. I do not have that using this tool and feel like I am not being heard that this is indeed a problem.

     Anyone else have this problem?

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