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 ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available 

Last post Thu, Dec 8 2011 12:15 AM by SahelA. 21 replies.
Started by Mike Tian 24 Aug 2011 05:51 PM. Topic has 21 replies and 12311 views
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  • Wed, Aug 24 2011 5:51 PM

    • Mike Tian
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    ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

     Hi all,

         I'm new to ADE XL and I encountered a problem when running  Monte Carlo "Mismatch" only analysis (using IC61 and mmsim07.2). At the end of the simulation it always gives this error: Statistical results for Monte Carlo simulation are not available for the test. I checked the sim log file, it shows the simulation had no error, but it seems like for some reason the results are just not available.The "Detail" field in "Show Mismatch" window shows only "N.A.".

         Could this be due to some set up issue in ADE XL or the PDK model (IBM) i am using? I did go through IBM's reference, and their subckts do have mismatch models, I also have set the global switches in .scs file to enable mismatch.

         Can anyone help me on this? Thank you very much!

     

    Mike

        

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  • Wed, Aug 24 2011 7:40 PM

    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

    Hi Mike,

     

    You didn't mention which IC61 version you are using. However, can you put the following line in your .cdsinit file - 

    envSetVal("adexl.monte" "dumpMismatchParameters" 'boolean t)

    and then run the simulation. 

    Otherwise you can add any scalar expressions/measurement(s) in ADE-XL setup and then run the simulation. In this case the Monte Carlo data file will get generated even if the 'dumpMismatchParameters' option is set to 'nil'.

    With Regards,

    Ashish

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  • Thu, Aug 25 2011 10:39 AM

    • Mike Tian
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

     Hi, Ashish,

        Thank you so much for your reply. Adding an expression did get rid of that error. But I figured out why the mismatch analysis didn't work. The IBM model doesn't support the "Mismatch" only for Monte Carlo in Spectre. I have to choose "All", and turn off the process variation switch in .scs. It works now. Thank you!

     

    Mike

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  • Mon, Sep 19 2011 7:06 AM

    • Hazo
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

    Hi,

    I have the similar problem. I am using the cadence 6.1.4.500.6 with AMS4.01 design Kit. When I try to run the monte carlo simulations it takes so long time to run to end compared to a single run although mc run number is 5. And when it finally ends, it gives warning as follows:

    ADEXL-5052: Monte Carlo run stopped because  no statistical data generated for the test_sim:simple_mc:1

     

    How do you turn off the process variation switch (?) in .csc file ?

     Hazo

     

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  • Wed, Sep 21 2011 5:20 AM

    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

    Do you have any expressions in your ADE XL output which are producing scalar measurements? My guess is that you are not measuring anything and hence get no resulting statistical variations? I don't really understand why anyone would need to "turn off the process variation switch in .scs file" - you can control whether it does process, mismatch or both from the UI.

    Regards,

    Andrew.

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  • Wed, Sep 21 2011 9:44 AM

    • Mike Tian
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

    Hazo,

        I don't know what PDK you are using, but in my case, I'm using IBM 45nm and they do not support "mismatch" only MC simulation in spectre. So I have to turn off the process variation by changing the variable mc_global to 0 in .csc file. And run "all" MC sim to get mismatch at a certain corner. If you are using other PDKs there should be explaination in model manual or in .csc file.

       I also encountered "non statistical data generated" error. Adding an expression at output would help with that.

    Mike 

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  • Thu, Sep 22 2011 3:50 AM

    • Hazo
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

     I am getting same results even I have added the expression: sqrt(VDC("/net3")) to ADE XL.

     

    Mikail 

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  • Thu, Sep 22 2011 7:17 AM

    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

    Please file a service request so that this can be investigated properly.

    Regards,

    Andrew.

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  • Sat, Oct 22 2011 3:42 AM

    • SahelA
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply
    Hello, I have a similar problem: I have a VerilogA model for a new technology for which I would like to add mismatch statistics blocks. So I wrote the .scs file which is attached to the message. When I run the montecarlo in ADELX (Virtuoso 6.1.3), I get a message "Monte carlo run stopped because no statistical data generated", and there is no results to see. on the other hand, in the log file it seems that the simulation has been done successfully for all the montecarlo points, although there is a warning: "mps error: MPSC:bad Handle: (nil)". If someone help me with this problem I'd be really thankful. PS. I should mention that I have a schematic file of the transistor for which I am running the montecarlo and I have a scalar output expression in my test.
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  • Tue, Nov 8 2011 6:39 AM

    • MarkusN
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

     I also have a similar problem.

    I am using Cadence 6.1.4.64b.500.12 with the newest X-Fab 0.35µ XA035 PDK and whenever I try to start a Monte Carlo analysis ind ADE XL of a custom IC contructed with this technology I get the error message:

    ADEXL-5052: Monte Carlo run stopped because no statistical data generated for the test

    I followed the step for step guide provided in the Cadence help but still could not get the analysis to run.

    Is there any solution or tutorial yet to get the Monte Carlo analysis to run succesfully?

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  • Tue, Nov 8 2011 7:27 AM

    • SahelA
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply
    Hi, I have also checked the help files but not found any answer yet... :(
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  • Fri, Nov 11 2011 3:05 AM

    • SahelA
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply
    nobody has an answer?? :(
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  • Fri, Nov 11 2011 3:55 AM

    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply

    Usually this is simply because you are not including the statistical models. Without knowing the specifics of the model files, I'm not sure how anyone can help - probably best to go to the foundry supplying the design kit.

    Andrew.

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  • Fri, Nov 11 2011 4:07 AM

    • SahelA
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply
    it is a very new technology and we dont have a complete Design Kit. Attached is the .scs file, I have added myself an example of the statistical models to run the montecarlo using ADE XL. would you please take a look at it if possible? thanks a lot for your answer. Sahel
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  • Fri, Nov 11 2011 4:54 AM

    • SahelA
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    Re: ADE XL Monte Carlo analysis: statistical results are not available Reply
    I should also mention that after the montecarlo has finished, in the log file it seems that the simulation has been done successfully for all the montecarlo points. there is only a warning: "mps error: MPSC:bad Handle: (nil)".
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