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Panelists: How to Manage Power for Mixed-Signal and RF

Comments(0)Filed under: low power, TLM, Analog, verification, EE Times, Mixed-Signal, mixed signal, Power, RF, PMIC, power managementNearly all of the discussion about low-power design has been on the digital side - but many of the problems are in the analog/mixed-signal and RF domains. I was thus pleased to see that the EE Times Advances in Power Management on-line conference Sept. 16 had a panel on this topic, with speakers from Cadence, Synopsys, Mentor Graphics, and Cypress Semiconductor.

Titled "Power Management in a Mixed-Signal RF Environment," the panel was moderated by John Donovan (right), editor/publisher of Low-Power Design. The introduction says it well: "Digital engineers have long had a hard time understanding what their analog colleagues were doing - and neither wants to get anywhere near RF. But with most new designs being mixed-signal and increasingly wireless, that's a luxury designers can no longer afford."

Panelists included:

  • Qi Wang, senior architect and head of solutions marketing, Cadence
  • Geoffrey Ying, director of product marketing, AMS group, Synopsys
  • Barry Pangrle, solutions architect, low power design, Mentor Graphics
  • Jim Davis, PSoC product manager, Cypress Semiconductor

The panel was conducted in Q&A format. Below are snapshots of some of the more interesting questions and answers I heard.

Q: To what extent can you define a power budget at the algorithmic level, and expect to hit it when you tape out?

Pangrle - Make sure you're in the ballpark initially. Then develop TLM models, and improve the estimates as you refine them. When you get to the gate level, do a power analysis and pull it back up to run an overall check on your system.

Wang - There has been some early work in algorithmic power estimation, but most is still in research. "From what I can see, the big problem here is the modeling."

Ying - Energy efficiency is a "multi-tier system-level problem" encompassing the operating system, the software that manages different modes of operation, and the system-level control IP.

Q: How accurate are the black-box analog models you get from IP vendors? What needs improvement?

Wang - It's a two-phase problem. One is the actual modeling of analog/mixed-signal IP, and the other is creating a good model to assist with SoC integration. "The modeling part for integration is relatively easy and that should be tackled right now."

Davis - At Cypress we characterize block-by-block. But our programmable SoCs pose challenges. We never know how the IP will be used in the end system.

Ying - There's a need for non-dynamic circuit simulation for characterization, "maybe some sort of rules-based electrical check that allows you to propagate signals across the entire chip."

Wang - Designers traditionally use functional vectors to get activity information, but this is becoming outdated. Better to run real system-level applications using an accelerator/emulator or FPGA prototype.

Q: Is it reasonable to build all power and frequency management into an SoC, and if not would you have to design a custom external power management IC (PMIC)?

Wang - This depends on cost and application. An external PMIC may have cost advantages, but an application may require a tighter integration of power and timing. Commercial PMIC IP is available (National Semiconductor, Texas Instruments) and it comes with driver software and tools.

Pangrle - If you're designing an external PMIC you may be able to pick a technology that's more applicable for doing power management. Putting power management on chip may cause noise problems with RF circuits.

Q: If you integrate black-box IP from a variety of vendors, do you get enough information from the models to avoid a respin?

Wang - "The short answer is no. We must improve this situation." IP models must include timing, behavior, power, noise, and physical layout constraints.

Davis - All Cypress analog IP is designed in-house, and we have a very rigid process for characterizing it, as well as a reuse "vault" for SoC designers.

Donovan - "It has been suggested that SoC design is not so much about design as it is integrating IP from a variety of vendors, so the lack of uniformity in the IP models they're providing is a notable problem that needs to get resolved."

Pangrle - "If you're bringing in analog IP you need the expertise on the SoC team to understand it. You can't take a block of analog IP and just place it anywhere on chip."

Q: Can you realistically do parasitic extraction at the board level with any degree of accuracy?

Ying and Wang agreed that no one extraction tool will handle all requirements. Ying noted that even point tool vendors in this area have multiple solutions.

Q: Is there a unified set of tools or techniques that will ease analog/mixed-signal verification?

Ying and Pangrle both talked about mixed-simulation environments that work across multiple domains and multiple levels of abstraction.

Wang - "From the Cadence point of view, two areas need to be improved. One is the tools themselves, and the other is that we need new thinking and a new methodology for mixed-signal design and verification." For example, the metric-driven verification used in the digital world should be applied to analog/mixed-signal.

A Quick Conclusion

As suggested in that last quote from Qi Wang, it's time to apply the kind of attention we've given to digital low-power design to analog/mixed-signal and RF. Hats off to EE Times for including this topic in its Power Management conference.

Richard Goering

Some Other Resources

Luke Lang of Cadence has written two blog postings on analog/mixed-signal low power design for Chip Design Magazine's low-power design community.

The Cadence Community launched a low-power blog this summer. An ongoing series of postings by Neyaz Khan discusses power management for digital mixed-signal systems.

John Donovan's Low-Power Design site has a number of insightful articles, and includes a blog written by Steve Leibson of Cadence.


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